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Paul Kingsnorth's avatar

Ideological drift is a good term. I've experienced this endlessly since the Great Awokening began. I have pretty much the same views on globalisation, for example, that I had in 1999 during the Batle of Seattle - I am against it, I don't like big business, I am a localist. The 'left' agreed back then. Now it turns out that globalisation is good because borders are bad, and localism is the same thing as nativism, which is the same thing as 'white supremacy.'

Back in 2008 I wrote a book called 'Real England', which was about how, again, big business was destroying local communities and how they were fighting back. It got nice reviews in mainstream papers of both right and left (the Daily Mail and Guardian both gave it good write-ups.) Someone high up in publishing recently suggested to me that if I wrote it now I'd be denounced as a fascist.

Luckily, I have got used to being denounced as a fascist. I know you understand that, Rhyd. ;-)

More significant though is the fact that half of of the population of most Western countries are now also deemed fascists, nativists and bigots by the new ruling class for holding views that [a] most of the world still holds and [b] were considered unremarkable even a decade ago. Views like: I quite like my country; Immigration should be controlled at resonable levels; Marriage is important; Family is good; I respect my ancestors. Simple stuff, which people wake up one day and suddenly find is now a phobia, according to people they didn't elect and don't know. This, more than anything, is building up the massive tensions we're seeing, I feel.

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Nathan Klein's avatar

To jump into your discussion of ‘ideological drift,’ I really want to start with a question: do you feel like what is labeled harmful to say is changing faster and faster?

It feels to me like any label for describing a particular group (you mentioned homosexual now being considered pejorative term) can become negative very suddenly.

My gut intuition (very limited to no research) says,

1. Social media and the pace at which we can access data is a factor.

2. Youth is idolized in our culture which gives the youth an over-represented voice (I feel) - and every couple of years the youth change which terms they like because the ones from two years ago are now outdated.

I don't have any definite knowledge of this and would like to hear from others about their experiences with ideological drift and its pace of change.

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