Video: Discussion on Being Pagan

With Gordon White

For those of you unable to catch the livestream, here is the full recording of my conversation with Gordon White of RuneSoup:

We talk about my book for the first hour of the discussion, with the second hour delving into other topics. We discuss propaganda, anarchism, marxism, the early uses of ‘proto-woke’ ideology to justify war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we also talk a bit about state power related to COVID.

One of my favorite parts of the discussion was when we spoke about the similar conclusions our animist frameworks bring us to. I put it much more gently in my book than in the discussion, but our advice to anyone caught in the relentless pattern of machine logic and social reaction is the same. As he would suggest, “go stand alone under the desert sky,” or as I say, “walk back through a dark forest alone.”

Basically: go be small in raw, terrible nature, and let that experience form your ideas about the world, rather than Twitter.