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Rhyd Wildermuth's avatar

I’m opposed to both too.

And I don’t see any substantial difference, no.

You probably already know this, but Aztec warriors were trained specifically *not* to kill on the battlefield, but rather to capture the enemy warrior alive. A warrior who’d killed instead of taking a captive was thought to be a bad warrior.

It was then the state priests who did the killing, which is a bit like the liberal democratic idea of displacing death onto another agent. Similar to remote drone warfare, or fighting Russia through arming Ukraine as proxy, etc.

What i mean is they’re all equivalent in the end (material) result, and we should resist attempts to create hierarchies of human atrocity or “evil.” Comparing modern human sacrifice to earlier forms only lets us excuse what happens now.

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Randall Jason Green's avatar

“”Recently in a podcast Martin Shaw said ... “new Christians shouldn’t be expected to explain the past crimes of Christianity.” I would generally agree with this if were applied to all religious ideas,””

Im going to have to slightly disagree with you and Martin here. Maybe you shouldn’t have to explain past crimes but certainly you should be expected to show awareness of them and offer a position that integrates the dark history of your tradition to show you offer a different perspective.

While I like and get your Aztec example Buddhism seems more akin here. I live 15 miles from Boulder, Colorado which has Naropa University and The Boulder Shambala center. Both are Buddhist and both were founded by problematic individuals who were later found to have extensively abused or sexually abused students / followers. Both institutions extensively covered up these abuses. This doesn’t begin to discuss other issues such as the inherent elitism that these institutions exist in Boulder which has an average home price of $1million USD and historically has been racially homogeneous and was intentionally was built as an exclusive community.

Spiritual bypassing is so common in nearly every tradition that at this point in history it’s fairly imperative to acknowledge it and to expect someone who publicly claims a faith position, enlightenment, or genuine religious experience to show awareness of their tradition’s dark history and offer a better position. This seems like necessary differentiation if you want to have a public religious position and one that is needed to help evolve/reorient nearly all spiritual traditions.

I consider myself Christian or at least Christian adjacent. I quite appreciate reading and listening to Richard Rohr these days and I’ve yet to encounter anything by him (book, podcast, sermon, or men’s work talk) where he doesn’t acknowledge and spend a fair amount of time separating the historical wheat from the chaff of his tradition.

All that and still love the post.

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