Heh, not to be provocant but I'm actually more interested in the topic of animism/paganism and that's why I'm here and I'm starting to be over the 'woke' thing and even over Covid and vaccines. I feel like these beasts just grow and grow the more we talk about them and are both at the same time unsubstantial. I honestly don't say that to be provocant though! As long as you feel like exploring these topics I will still follow along because you do have interesting things to say about them. But the reason I personally follow is the pagan thing :)
judith butler's prose style alone makes it impossible to trust or believe a single word she says. she has to be one of the most dishonest and toxic intellectual frauds of the last 30 years. the postmodernist profs may not have proved that there is no such thing as 'truth' but they have absolutely proved that there is such a thing as lies.
Well, at over 150 minutes I don't have time to watch this as I have brush to clear on my property which in its own way is a philosophical endeavor.
It's an interesting trio, though, perhaps I'll be able to listen to the audio over a period of time.
I do want to encourage you to continue to consider the issue of 'wokeness' because in the milieu where I live it permeates the culture. The erasure of class is quite problematic in my view.
On the vaccine mandates, what about mandated childhood vaccinations? If the covid vaccine were sterilizing I would be more in favor of mandates. As it is, seems no more reasonable to mandate it than the influenza vaccine.
We live in (biologically) unnaturally large congregations of individuals and if we are to survive we have to have technological interventions, just like factory farms do.
I'm about halfway through and they're talking about Zemmour and West is characterizing whiteness (or at least white nationalism) as wanting to claim land as "My land" and Butler is wringing her hands over the French fear of Muslims. But it seems to me that the concerns Zemmour is capitalizing on- loss of attachment and sovereignty as it is located in a specific land, place, history, and culture- are exactly the kinds of fears leftists are quick to validate when it is, say, a post-colonial African nation, or a remote indigenous tribe in the Amazon experiencing those fears.
It's a little bit different when we talk about this in the US, because we are a nation born in colonialism, and we all know, unless we are Native American, that we came from somewhere else. But for all intents and purposes, the descendants of Gauls, Franks, and Normans have been in one place with a common identity, language, and culture for long enough that they are, for all intents and purposes, indigenous to that land, and it is their land.
And the impulse to protect one's land and cultural identity is pretty universal. Indigenous tribal groups have been fighting over land and territory since at least the beginning of recorded history. Respect for that fact is one of the reasons leftist are so fond of things like land acknowledgments.
So why is it different when the people wanting to preserve their land and culture are white? I'm asking this honestly, as someone who has recently stepped back from my own leftist identity and tried to take a more curious and honest look at things. It feels much easier for me to be pro-immigration in the United States, where we have always been a nation of immigrants and we still have a relatively low population density, on average. But European Countries, which are relatively small, population-dense, and which have a much stronger claim to national identity and ties to the land than white Americans do, force me to re-consider.
Regarding the idea of vaccine mandates: I'm not arguing one way or the other, but one thing that adds to the complexity of the issue is that (at least where I live) the VAST majority of anti-vaxxers could also give a fuck about doing anything--even the simplest things--to keep other people (including themselves) from getting infected and spreading it around. Things are much harder to navigate when a large chunk of the population doesn't necessarily share a sense of responsibility for their role in the larger communities they inhabit.
Heh, not to be provocant but I'm actually more interested in the topic of animism/paganism and that's why I'm here and I'm starting to be over the 'woke' thing and even over Covid and vaccines. I feel like these beasts just grow and grow the more we talk about them and are both at the same time unsubstantial. I honestly don't say that to be provocant though! As long as you feel like exploring these topics I will still follow along because you do have interesting things to say about them. But the reason I personally follow is the pagan thing :)
judith butler's prose style alone makes it impossible to trust or believe a single word she says. she has to be one of the most dishonest and toxic intellectual frauds of the last 30 years. the postmodernist profs may not have proved that there is no such thing as 'truth' but they have absolutely proved that there is such a thing as lies.
Well, at over 150 minutes I don't have time to watch this as I have brush to clear on my property which in its own way is a philosophical endeavor.
It's an interesting trio, though, perhaps I'll be able to listen to the audio over a period of time.
I do want to encourage you to continue to consider the issue of 'wokeness' because in the milieu where I live it permeates the culture. The erasure of class is quite problematic in my view.
On the vaccine mandates, what about mandated childhood vaccinations? If the covid vaccine were sterilizing I would be more in favor of mandates. As it is, seems no more reasonable to mandate it than the influenza vaccine.
We live in (biologically) unnaturally large congregations of individuals and if we are to survive we have to have technological interventions, just like factory farms do.
I'm about halfway through and they're talking about Zemmour and West is characterizing whiteness (or at least white nationalism) as wanting to claim land as "My land" and Butler is wringing her hands over the French fear of Muslims. But it seems to me that the concerns Zemmour is capitalizing on- loss of attachment and sovereignty as it is located in a specific land, place, history, and culture- are exactly the kinds of fears leftists are quick to validate when it is, say, a post-colonial African nation, or a remote indigenous tribe in the Amazon experiencing those fears.
It's a little bit different when we talk about this in the US, because we are a nation born in colonialism, and we all know, unless we are Native American, that we came from somewhere else. But for all intents and purposes, the descendants of Gauls, Franks, and Normans have been in one place with a common identity, language, and culture for long enough that they are, for all intents and purposes, indigenous to that land, and it is their land.
And the impulse to protect one's land and cultural identity is pretty universal. Indigenous tribal groups have been fighting over land and territory since at least the beginning of recorded history. Respect for that fact is one of the reasons leftist are so fond of things like land acknowledgments.
So why is it different when the people wanting to preserve their land and culture are white? I'm asking this honestly, as someone who has recently stepped back from my own leftist identity and tried to take a more curious and honest look at things. It feels much easier for me to be pro-immigration in the United States, where we have always been a nation of immigrants and we still have a relatively low population density, on average. But European Countries, which are relatively small, population-dense, and which have a much stronger claim to national identity and ties to the land than white Americans do, force me to re-consider.
Regarding the idea of vaccine mandates: I'm not arguing one way or the other, but one thing that adds to the complexity of the issue is that (at least where I live) the VAST majority of anti-vaxxers could also give a fuck about doing anything--even the simplest things--to keep other people (including themselves) from getting infected and spreading it around. Things are much harder to navigate when a large chunk of the population doesn't necessarily share a sense of responsibility for their role in the larger communities they inhabit.
It's painfully obvious greenwald isn't aware of the audience he's pandering too on faux news.....