That Jozua guy is full of shit though. Zionism is not an ephemeral phenomenon in anyone's head. It's part of actual imperialism that is actually destroying lifes as we speak, and being against it seems pretty old school left to me. So is burning flags.
That Jozua guy is full of shit though. Zionism is not an ephemeral phenomenon in anyone's head. It's part of actual imperialism that is actually destroying lifes as we speak, and being against it seems pretty old school left to me. So is burning flags.
I have so much to say on this but no matter what I'd say, everyone would find fault with it. One thing I would say for now is that while there is both a terrifying and fucked up military and economic alliance going on between the US and Israel, US leftists often spend more time criticizing the Israeli side than the US side. We can do both, but it's rare to see anyone except the most dogmatic Marxists (solidarity, Sistersmith) do so.
On the other hand, there is a weird "diplomatic woke" push from the Israeli government that has defined some of the US woke stuff. Parading gay and lesbian Israeli youth around at US college events, or the IDF's feminist and gay push. But these are the exact same thing happening in the US government, too.
But where my critiques get super difficult is the matter of the ADF, whose work became heavily influential in the US Antifa movement. Some of the terrifying Antifa Terror moments (in which leftists like me were suddenly labeled "fascist") fit so well into the ADF's line that it would soon unsurprising to find many "antifa" leaders working for organizations supported by the ADF.
Something weird is happening there, but I'm pretty sure it's the same weird thing we see with massive neoliberal foundations funding woke and social justice projects. Identity conflict is easier to manage than class conflict, and they're all making sure we hate each other rather than looking at capitalist class.
I mean, it *is* left to to care for something other than the US working class right? Even though I personally agree that extremes of wokeness are highly suspect, I'm not saying a true leftists cares only about their own working class as class at home and nothing else.
Hah I'm glad you disagree with him on that. For me, impeccable anti-imperialism is a litmus test for two reasons.
a) because anything else just viscerally disgusts me. And b) because a lack of anti-imperialism shows to me a political worldview that is structurally unsound. If they don't get *that*, I can't trust them about anything else and I'm probably having better thoughts by myself already than they have. Therefor those thinkers/writers are dismissed from my reading lists.
Not that I'm saying that you have to apply the same standards, though.
That Jozua guy is full of shit though. Zionism is not an ephemeral phenomenon in anyone's head. It's part of actual imperialism that is actually destroying lifes as we speak, and being against it seems pretty old school left to me. So is burning flags.
I have so much to say on this but no matter what I'd say, everyone would find fault with it. One thing I would say for now is that while there is both a terrifying and fucked up military and economic alliance going on between the US and Israel, US leftists often spend more time criticizing the Israeli side than the US side. We can do both, but it's rare to see anyone except the most dogmatic Marxists (solidarity, Sistersmith) do so.
On the other hand, there is a weird "diplomatic woke" push from the Israeli government that has defined some of the US woke stuff. Parading gay and lesbian Israeli youth around at US college events, or the IDF's feminist and gay push. But these are the exact same thing happening in the US government, too.
But where my critiques get super difficult is the matter of the ADF, whose work became heavily influential in the US Antifa movement. Some of the terrifying Antifa Terror moments (in which leftists like me were suddenly labeled "fascist") fit so well into the ADF's line that it would soon unsurprising to find many "antifa" leaders working for organizations supported by the ADF.
Something weird is happening there, but I'm pretty sure it's the same weird thing we see with massive neoliberal foundations funding woke and social justice projects. Identity conflict is easier to manage than class conflict, and they're all making sure we hate each other rather than looking at capitalist class.
>"I have so much to say on this but no matter what I'd say, everyone would find fault with it."
All the more reason to say it, IMO.
I mean, it *is* left to to care for something other than the US working class right? Even though I personally agree that extremes of wokeness are highly suspect, I'm not saying a true leftists cares only about their own working class as class at home and nothing else.
Oh, I absolutely disagree with Jozua on some things, including that. But I read him anyway. :)
Hah I'm glad you disagree with him on that. For me, impeccable anti-imperialism is a litmus test for two reasons.
a) because anything else just viscerally disgusts me. And b) because a lack of anti-imperialism shows to me a political worldview that is structurally unsound. If they don't get *that*, I can't trust them about anything else and I'm probably having better thoughts by myself already than they have. Therefor those thinkers/writers are dismissed from my reading lists.
Not that I'm saying that you have to apply the same standards, though.