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Paul Kingsnorth's avatar

Very interesting stuff again Rhyd, and of course I appreciate the mention. It's nourishing to have conversations like this in this medium. Nourishing also to to be reminded of just how good Marx and Engels' analysis of bourgeois values really was.

I hope you don't mind me saying a couple of things. Starting with this quote:

'That other left looked much more like the pre-leftist rebellions of Europe than anything the bourgeoisie argued for. This, I think, is the only other blind spot in Paul Kingsnorth’s analysis about the French Revolution and its relationship to our present situation. The lower classes who were swept up into the revolutionary fervor were not mere stooges for the bourgeoisie. They had their own history of revolt, a folk memory of the heretical millenarian rebellions and shared dreams of a classless society, a real revolution which the bourgeoisie never would have allowed'

I expect I have other blind spots, but in this case I made precisely this point in the piece - and more so in the essay before ('A monster that grows in deserts.') I will be writing more as my series goes on, but this 'history of revolt' amongst the rooted classes, if you like, is what I refer to as 'reactionary radicalism.' You can see it throughout English history. It's not revolution (that's what the rich left in the cities want, as you say: a clearance operation). It's a desire for custom that works: as you say, a reversion to a sacred order.

For that reason, I don't think are 'two lefts.' I think the 'left' is a direct result of that seating arrangement: it has always been an elite movement, and that goes for the Marxists and the anarchists too (anything with an 'ism' on it is theoretical.) The 'left' have always been middle class intellectuals (like us ...) The poor tend to be more - well, reactionary. But also rebellious.

That would be my other qualm here: you say that 'the desire for common wealth without artificial identity barriers (gender, race, etc) is the dream of the lower classes.' Hm. Do you think so? I don't see much evidence of 'the lower classes' clamouring for an end to 'gender identity.' That's very much a woke bourgeois occupation. I think that you have to be honest about the social conservatism of the 'lower classes'. That's the 'reactionary' element. If you want to change that - well, capitalism is in fact the best way to do it. The 'sacred order' is inherently conservative.

The only final thing I would say is: Marx's analysis is brilliant, but he too was an urban intellectual, deeply rational, and very anti-religious. That's one reason Marxist revolutions always fail. Simone Weil called Marxism 'a badly constructed religion' and she wasn't far wrong. How does that sit for a pagan? Not a challenge, a genuine inquiry.

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Elizabeth Bostic's avatar

Thank you, thank you! Thank you for so clearly articulating the bait and switch disaster of the European Enlightenment project. My mind was so blown after reading Schama's "Citizen" years ago. The distortion within the accepted history of the French revolution is staggering.

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